Comment for Audrey

I wrote this comment in response to the latest essay By Audrey Watters (21st Feb 2025): https://2ndbreakfast.audreywatters.com/automated-contempt

Hi Audrey, Have read your stuff for some years now. It always stirs me, leads me, and makes me think.

These are indeed amazing times. I am surely not the only one who has fallen foul of Godwin’s Law if I note that the TV film “M – Son of the Century’ is surely relevant to understanding the current cultural and political darkness that is swallowing America (I’m in the UK, where it’s typically very dull politically and where we have not left the years of Tory disdain behind but now suffer its replacement, a Tory-Lite form of politics … but that is another story … ).

Anyway, the film is stunningly well made – and, paradoxically, brings cinematic beauty to one of the darkest topics. The non-fiction novel on which it is based is also good (though a challenging read). Key point, to me, is that Trumpist politics is much, much closer to Mussolini’s fascism than to the more obvious Nazi parallel. Vanity and ego, self-delusion and self-aggrandisement, and above all violence, violence, violence all perpetrated for the good of the nation, the rebirth of the Italian soul … just as today for example Steve Bannon, that vile creature Alex Karp, and others, talk brazenly about murdering people in large numbers. Yet no-one blinks.

(Karp is the relevant case here – encouraging shareholders to invest in AI that he openly says he uses to instil fear and to commit murder, as he does against Palestinians …)

In the film the last word is spokne at the very end of Episode 8 when in 1924, faced with the loss of power resulting from the latest savage murder of a political opponent, Mussolini demands of the elected assembly that all it takes under the terms of the Italian constitution is for one member to call for an impeachment.

“Come on, speak, just one of you …”. No-one does of course.

He turns to us, the fourth wall, and with a subtle smirk to camera says simply “silencio”.

END.

Saying nothing says it all!

Must stop. Love your writing. We share your despair – hope this comment does not add to it! Smile

Incidentally I have got hold of a copy of Karp’s book ‘The Technological Republic’ which glows radioactively inside my Kindle (if you can bear to look at it, it is grist to the mill-stones of anger that burn us up). The TechnoRepublic must return to it roots he says, which lie with the military machine, the machine that kick-started everything worthwhile techn0logically (AI) but which has become mired in trivia … (so says the billionaire technologist!).

Same old shit!

Squadristi?

Well here we go… so many groups of dumb idiots spoiling for a fight. Frightening and sad for all of us. The tragedy is that Americans have little reason for this apart from the power of money and the media that it buys, stirring the cauldron of fear and hate. Intellectually speaking we need a new variation on Godwins Law because this is no longer a mere exchange of opinion but new tipping point where real blood is running … a trickle today but in a year’s time?

Oh yes, and there’s that terrific film now on TV:  M: Son of the Century; it pretty much covers what is going on (though as I said we don’t want to raise the spectre of Godwin’s Law just yet. We have to spot the differences … though there aren’t really that many! Mussolini was clever in teh way that egotists can be, but also a devious liar, and later lying was burned into him. America today is the whipping dog of a shameless ignoramus, running wild with a pack of of brown noses …

Here is an example of American ‘Squadristi’ in action – aren’t they lovely specimens?

https://x.com/DavidJLongman/status/1892530009752879406

If Mussolini has a counterpart in the America past it is probably Al Capone; though he never had aspirations to run the country his schtick was the same …

American Depravity

18Feb25:

All these shitty techthugs want it both ways: to run platforms with no accountability simultaneously enable mass murder …

“For employees, it’s clear: if you’re not for America or Israel, don’t work here—this is a free country.”

https://theintercept.com/2025/02/18/oracle-tiktok-israel-palestine-gaza

18Feb25:

Palantir and its weasely, unwashed, greedy thug leadership is a disgusting and brazenly criminal company. How do you get away with bragging about murder as a business? https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/feb/18/palantir-goes-script-reveal-ambitious-agenda-real-/

Mussolini

Watched ‘M’ the other night – a brilliant piece of TV film about the rise of Mussolini, and the emergence of modern fascism. So good I got hold of Antonio Scurati’s book, “M: Son of the Century” on which it is based. Also a good read, although literary in form rather than documentary.

We forget, and of course cannot feel, the appalling degradation that the First World War brought to those countries that ‘lost’ … except that Italy’s loss was not military defeat, because of course they were among the Allies, but the betrayal of promises made in the Treaty of London. It was a very complicated situation – after all Italy decided not to fight with the German/Austrian alliance of which they were a part because Italy saw an opportunity to regain territories it had lost in previous wars! And by the end of the 1st World War Europe as a whole was burning with the passionate possibility of a widespread socialist revolution stimulated by the the Bolshevik revolution.

Scurati and the film emphasise the depths of despair that the Italian survivors of that war had fallen into. All the promises of victory wiped away and to make the humiliation of the conscripts worse the promises of a fulsome welcome on their return from the battlefields were replacd with ostracism.

Mussolini had been a Marxist until he rejected the threat of the seizure of power by the socialist Movement following the Bolshevik successes. He (supposedly) never rejected the working class foundations but sought an active overthrow of all party political government. An ‘anti-party’

Thus fascism in Italy arises from the depression of defeat and national humiliation in spite of sharing the victory in a turbulent war..

None of this directly explains the rise of fascism today (for that is what is happening) although many of the markers are there. A particular idea early in the book catches eye: the fear that many of us feel as the madness of our increasingly psychotic democracies stretches its tentacles and encircles us. Some say, there is little you can do but look at the things you can control – and these aren’t many – but a least you might hang on to your sanity and avoid the dark wind of except that fear blows away confidence in the future.

This is all very well, and is a comforting idea – whatever it is that you can do will at least maintain your soul. But isn’t this exactly what  Martin Niemöller was writing about … “First they came for …”?

Scurati writes about the fear that stalked Italian cities as division and often brutal strife caused people to lock their doors and shutter their windows and the political mobs paraded and or rampaged in the the streets:

“Faced with that future, they walled themselves up in the prison of the present.”

Too much information

Until fairly recently, say 19th Century, the survival of ‘content’ from the past has been as much as matter of chance as of design. The invention of printing, of course, arriving in the 1450s, made a huge difference to the survival of documents of all kinds including from the previous ages of scribal production. But, as is evident from Roland Allen’s research in “The Notebook” the development and spread of paper as a medium not only made printing feasible but also the general use of paper as a means of recording all kinds of information. Yet by its nature paper is also a vulnerable medium and even if printing ensured the survival of a great deal much has been lost. For the everyday use of paper as a personal as well as an official medium of record, survivals have been rare when considered against the huge scale of creation over the centuries since the 1400s.

Today, digital methods of production and storage of text, images and sound, have the result that very much less is lost.* In fact, we may be entering an age when we experience a new kind of cultural problem, the overabundance of ‘content’. 

Is this a new kind of problem?**

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* I use the word ‘less’ deliberately for much of the world’s population remains unaffected by the presence of digital media. and probably cares even less! Yet, it has to be true that over the next few decades the digital archive provides a deeper pool of content that represents in greater variety and detail the ‘output’ of human beings.

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** In fact, reading Yeo, Notebooks, English Virtuosi, and Early Modern Science, and Allen (see below) this is not really a new problem. During the period leading up to the of the creation of the Royal Society and then beyond into the 17-18 Centuries we find much anxiety about how to manage the flood of content and information that printing made available

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Posted to Bluesky

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Takeaways: paper enabled print but also the spread of paper notebooks. Most now lost (tens of thousands?). Many books too but notebook loss is greater.

Contrast with the scale (~100%?) and longevity (200+ yrs?) of digital storage. This near-perfect archive may be our cultural nemesis (e.g. LLMs!).

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For those interested in the history/evolution of pre-digital media see ‘The Notebook: A History of Thinking on Paper‘. Some useful insights into our media precursors.

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Capone, Chicago … Trump

Just re-read ‘Scarface and the Untouchable: Eliot Ness and the Battle for Chicago‘* by Max Collins and Brad Schwartz. * An excellent book based on a load of research. Also if you, like me, you cannot abide the superficiality of American culture, its overweaning self-importance, its breeding of corruption and racist colonialism it provides some useful background.

Of course my home, the UK, is not completely innocent of these traits (e.g. smugness and a creepy shift to the right side of politic aka the wrong side!) but America has for some time been a sad nation in search of style and humanity.

In a casual moment a while back I watched the movie ‘The Untouchables’ with San Connery and Kevin Costner and realised it is a load of baloney. I went back to the book that I read a few years ago and the authors confirm that the movie is BS. The story they tell is much more interesting and bears little relation to Hollywood’s ideas about prohibition crime as depicted in that movie (though some of the pre-war noir movies are well worth watching and more accurate).

Takeaway:

What is striking is the character of Capone. A murderer yes, famous for killing three of his gang byt swinging his own baseball bat and then having his cronies shoot them until they were not quite dead but what stands out, and it quite chilling, is how closely Trump’s attitudes and beliefs so like Capone … him but without his intelligence or style! Trump is a black void, preferring corruption over honesty, confusing sycophancy for proof of self-worth and a less than hidden disdain for the law.

At least, the very least, Capone had brains.

Mind you, The US legal system and its enforcers were significantly to blame as well – the stories about Chicago’s mayoral elections of the time are eerie because of their similarity to contemporary US politics (e.g. Mayor Thompson). Lies and graft, lies and graft. I am not sure that much has changed in the years since.

The overall conclusion of the book is pessimistic: the effort to fight gangster crime, to stymie its flourishing, is fruitless:

“There are a thousand Dillingers … and a thousand Capones who know better than to write checks. The Bureau of Investigation is designed to prune the criminal tree but the tree goes on flourishing.”

 

Posted to Twitter and BSky:

Just re-read ‘Scarface and the Untouchable’. Relevance? What stands out is that Trump is so like Capone but without his intelligence or style!!

Capone’s moral compass was bent but at least he he had one! Trump is a zombie. Never honest, never kind, always greedy.

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Posted to BSky

The new vanguard of crooks, liars and traitors swindling their way into the political mainstream is depressing. A good case study is to be found in ‘Scarface and the Untouchable’.

Paradoxically, fighting gangster crime is like pruning a plant to make it stronger.

 

Confirmation bias is structural

See: The Internet Is Worse Than a Brainwashing Machine

“… misinformation is powerful, not because it changes minds, but because it allows people to maintain their beliefs in light of growing evidence to the contrary. The internet may function not so much as a brainwashing engine but as a justification machine.”

“This dynamic plays into a natural tendency that humans have to be evidence foragers, to seek information that supports one’s beliefs or undermines the arguments against them. Finding such information (or large groups of people who eagerly propagate it) has not always been so easy. Evidence foraging might historically have meant digging into a subject, testing arguments, or relying on genuine expertise. That was the foundation on which most of our politics, culture, and arguing was built.”

“The current internet—a mature ecosystem with widespread access and ease of self-publishing—undoes that.”

Black Mirror, Series 2, Episode 3.

Broadcast i Black Mirror, Series 2, Episode 3. Available on Amazon Prime.

Broadcast in 2013 this film has a prescient quality about it. An example of how an LLM, which in 2024 are now commonplace. It also posits the idea that well, they could be used to mimic the personality of an individual. This episode of Black Mirror illustrates the limitations of that idea. Something like an LLM cannot replicate a human life; and creating an automata built to to mimic the physical person in every physical detail (adjustable in real-time!) may just make their limitations worse.

A young couple, Martha and Ash, off to a new home, somewhere rural. He is always engrossed in his online chatter. She, a graphic designer, is good humoured about it, if at times a little impatient with his distraction.

After they unload their stuff he goes off the return th hire van. He does not make it. He dies in a crash. She is, of course, traumatised; grieving.

At the wake. A friend, also bereaved, tells her she can sign up to ‘something’ (an online system, just software, that uses all the information it has about someone, that you can have conversations with). She says it will help her grief, as it did for her. Martha is upset, denounces the whole idea, screaming – “It’s sick …”.

Later, while also discovering that she she is pregnant, she gets a message from the same friend ‘I’ve signed you up’ and in the same list of new messages there is also one from Ash!

She finds the conversations both weird but also comforting and she spends a lot of time talking ot online-Ash. It sounds like Ash, and Ash seems to know he is ‘not there’, and online-Ash does seem to have ‘gaps’ i his knowledge about himself, and about Martha – but these are quickly repaired after he performs some sort of lookup!

Later, her friend writes to her to tell her about a new beta project by the same company, This turns out to be an automaton that looks like Ash, sounds like Ash, but is also ‘gappy’ about things he should know especially physical behaviour and real-time interactions.

The sex, however, is terrific! But he does not sleep, which Martha finds disturbing and is oddly dispassionate about everything. He cannot leave the house, for he is programmed to stay within a fixed distance of his point of origin (the bathroom in this case where he was activated after delivery!) …

Eventually she becomes so disturbed, angered, by the entire situation that she walks him to the nearby cliff, overlooking the sea shore where they live, and tells him to jump. He says “OK” but, again, Martha is so disturbed by his dispassionate compliance she screams at him that she cannot take it any more. He then enacts, mimics, how a person might passionately and fearfully to such a demand, to kill himself …

Final scene some years later: Martha has a daughter and it’s her birthday. They come home and the daughter asks to take a piece of birthday take to Ash, who now ‘lives’ in the loft. We see him standing there immobile, with some basic furniture – a bed!, a lamp! – none of which he needs. He speaks kindly and softly to his daughter, “Happy Birthday”; she replies, handing him the cake, “I know you can’t really eat it but let’s pretend …”.

Last shot: Martha climbs the loft ladder to join them.

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Posted to BlueSky:

A ‘case study’ of the limitations of LLM-type models of mind mimicry: Black Mirror, Series 2, Episode 3 (on Amazon Prime).

Produced 10yr ago) in 2013 it is an insightful depiction of the absurdity of believing that mind-mimicry built from data archives is a ‘real’ mind.

It is also a warning.n 2013 this film has a prescient quality about it. An example of how an LLM, which in 2024 are now commonplace. It also posits the idea that well, they could be used to mimic the personality of an individual. This episode of Black Mirror illustrates the limitations of that idea. Something like an LLM cannot replicate a human life; and creating an automata built to to mimic the physical person in every physical detail (adjustable in real-time!) may just make their limitations worse.

A young couple, Martha and Ash, off to a new home, somewhere rural. He is always engrossed in his online chatter. She, a graphic designer, is good humoured about it, if at times a little impatient with his distraction.

After they unload their stuff he goes off the return th hire van. He does not make it. He dies in a crash. She is, of course, traumatised; grieving.

At the wake. A friend, also bereaved, tells her she can sign up to ‘something’ (an online system, just software, that uses all the information it has about someone, that you can have conversations with). She says it will help her grief, as it did for her. Martha is upset, denounces the whole idea, screaming – “It’s sick …”.

Later, while also discovering that she she is pregnant, she gets a message from the same friend ‘I’ve signed you up’ and in the same list of new messages there is also one from Ash!

She finds the conversations both weird but also comforting and she spends a lot of time talking ot online-Ash. It sounds like Ash, and Ash seems to know he is ‘not there’, and online-Ash does seem to have ‘gaps’ i his knowledge about himself, and about Martha – but these are quickly repaired after he performs some sort of lookup!

Later, her friend writes to her to tell her about a new beta project by the same company, This turns out to be an automaton that looks like Ash, sounds like Ash, but is also ‘gappy’ about things he should know especially physical behaviour and real-time interactions.

The sex, however, is terrific! But he does not sleep, which Martha finds disturbing and is oddly dispassionate about everything. He cannot leave the house, for he is programmed to stay within a fixed distance of his point of origin (the bathroom in this case where he was activated after delivery!) …

Eventually she becomes so disturbed, angered, by the entire situation that she walks him to the nearby cliff, overlooking the sea shore where they live, and tells him to jump. He says “OK” but, again, Martha is so disturbed by his dispassionate compliance she screams at him that she cannot take it any more. He then enacts, mimics, how a person might passionately and fearfully to such a demand, to kill himself …

Final scene some years later: Martha has a daughter and it’s her birthday. They come home and the daughter asks to take a piece of birthday take to Ash, who now ‘lives’ in the loft. We see him standing there immobile, with some basic furniture – a bed!, a lamp! – none of which he needs. He speaks kindly and softly to his daughter, “Happy Birthday”; she replies, handing him the cake, “I know you can’t really eat it but let’s pretend …”.

Last shot: Martha climbs the loft ladder to join them.

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Posted to BlueSky:

A ‘case study’ of the limitations of LLM-type models of mind mimicry: Black Mirror, Series 2, Episode 3 (on Amazon Prime).

Produced 10yr ago in 2013 it is an insightful depiction, and a warning about the absurdity of believing that mind-mimicry built from data archives is a ‘real’ mind.

It is also a warning.